RE: Chicory/ Perrenial Rye systems

From: Joe.Jacobs@dpi.vic.gov.au
Date: Fri Aug 18 2006 - 16:26:36 EST

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Ron/John

We have a chicory in a number of studies in western Victoria. The best=20
successes have been with spring sowing either alone or with a summer crop=20
such as Hunter or Winfred. Oversowing with an Italian ryegrass in autumn=20
allows the chicory to produce good autumn feed before the ryegrass gets=20
going. The italian appears robust enough to get through the existing=20
canopy of chicory and brassica. I would like to see what a PRG would do=20
in such situations.=20
We have also sown chicory and millet in spring. The chicory was=20
magnificent competing with millet quite easily and the added benefit was=20
once autumn arrived the millet just gave in.

Autumn sowings require a bit of luck to establish and struggle to compete=20
with ryegrasses. It does seem to work better with tall fescue.

In terms of grazing management, the ultimate decision is what part of the=20
sward is most important - the grass or the herb. Each requires some=20
different management at key times. Ryegrass in late spring requires a=20
quite rapid rotation (14-21 days) to keep under control whilst at that=20
rate chicory will not produce much leaf. Conversely in summer, chicory=20
tries to produce a seed head and needs grazing every 4-5 weeks whilst=20
often you want a longer interval with ryegrass.
Cheers
Joe
Dr Joe Jacobs
Statewide Leader ? Pasture Agronomy
Primary Industries Research Victoria (PIRVic)
Department of Primary Industries Warrnambool (DPI Warrnambool)
78 Henna Street, Warrnambool, Vic 3280, Australia
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johne@heritageseeds.com.au
18/08/2006 09:01 AM
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        Subject: RE: Chicory/ Perrenial Rye systems

Hi Ron
Chicory works well as a multi graze summer crop sown in spring (with white =

clover), it can then be oversown with an Italian or hybrid ryegrass=20
(Barberia works well) in autumn to keep the production up over winter. It=20
should then be productive through the next summer at least.
Hope this helps
John
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Dr John Evans
Technical Development Manager
Heritage Seeds Pty Ltd
Po Box 4020 Mulgrave Vic 3170 Australia
Office: +61 3 9501 7000
Fax: +61 3 9561 9333
Mobile: +61 413 442 810

From: Ron & Kath Paynter [mailto:paynter@dcsi.net.au]=20
Sent: Thursday, 17 August 2006 8:40 AM
To: vicdairy-l
Subject: Chicory/ Perrenial Rye systems
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Hello all,
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How are people fitting Chicory in to grazing systems?
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Over the years, we have had variable success with turnips and pasja on red =

soils at Ellinbank. Had the chance to talk with a Longwarry/Ripplebrook=20
farmer recently who reported good results from chicory as a multi grazing=20
fodder crop sown with perrenial rye (I think?).
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What sorts of sowing/grazing regimes have people used successfully?
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Ron Paynter

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Ron/John
 
 We have a chicory in a number of stu=
dies in western Victoria.  The best successes have been with spring so=
wing either alone or with a summer crop such as Hunter or Winfred.  Ov=
ersowing with an Italian ryegrass in autumn allows the chicory to produce g=
ood autumn feed before the ryegrass gets going.  The italian appears r=
obust enough to get through the existing canopy of chicory and brassica. &n=
bsp;I would like to see what a PRG would do in such situations.  </fon=
t>
 We have also sown chicory and millet=
in spring.  The chicory was magnificent competing with millet quite e=
asily and the added benefit was once autumn arrived the millet just gave in=
.
 
 Autumn sowings require a bit of luck=
to establish and struggle to compete with ryegrasses. It does seem to work=
better with tall fescue.
 
 In terms of grazing management, the =
ultimate decision is what part of the sward is most important - the grass o=
r the herb.  Each requires some different management at key times. &nb=
sp;Ryegrass in late spring requires a quite rapid rotation (14-21 days) to =
keep under control whilst at that rate chicory will not produce much leaf. =
 Conversely in summer, chicory tries to produce a seed head and needs =
grazing every 4-5 weeks whilst often you want a longer interval with ryegra=
ss.
 Cheers
 Joe 
Dr Joe Jacobs 
Statewide Leader – Pasture Agronomy 
Primary Industries Research Victoria (PIRVic) 
Department of Primary Industries Warrnambool (DPI Warrnambool) 
78 Henna Street, Warrnambool, Vic 3280, Australia 
Phone: 03 55619923 
Mobile: 0427 947 692 
Fax: 03 55619988 
Email: joe.jacobs@dpi.vic.gov.au
This email and any attachm=
ents may contain information that is confidential, legally privileged and/o=
r copyright. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure, di=
stribution or reliance on the information contained in this e-mail is unaut=
horised. You should only re-transmit or distribute the information if you a=
re authorised to do so.
If you have received this =
e-mail in error please notify the Department of Primary Industries (DPI) by=
return e-mail and destroy all copies printed or held on any computer. DPI =
does not warrant that this 
e-mail and any attachments are free of viruses.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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18/08/2006 09:01 AM
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 Hi Ron
 Chicory works well as a m=
ulti graze summer crop sown in spring (with white clover), it can then be o=
versown with an Italian or hybrid ryegrass (Barberia works well) in autumn =
to keep the production up over winter. It should then be productive through=
the next summer at least.
 Hope this helps
 John
  
 Dr John Evans
 Technical Development Man=
ager
 Heritage Seeds Pty Ltd</f=
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 Po Box 4020 Mulgrave Vic =
3170 Australia
 Office:     &nb=
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 Fax:      =
   +61 3 9561 9333
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 From: Ron & Kath Paynter [mai=
lto:paynter@dcsi.net.au] 
Sent: Thursday, 17 August 2006 8:40 AM 
To: vicdairy-l 
Subject: Chicory/ Perrenial Rye systems
  
 Hello all,
  
 How are people fitting Chicory in to graz=
ing systems?
  
 Over the years, we have had variable succ=
ess with turnips and pasja on red soils at Ellinbank. Had the chance to tal=
k with a Longwarry/Ripplebrook farmer recently who reported good results fr=
om chicory as a multi grazing fodder crop sown with perrenial rye (I think?=
).
  
 What sorts of sowing/grazing regimes have=
people used successfully?
  
 Ron Paynter
 
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